Comparison of Complexity in Eastern and Western Characters
@odus · Mar 1, 10:19 PM
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The complexity of Western characters stems from differences in philosophical foundations, and their internal trajectories often exhibit a "two steps forward, one step back" oscillating arc, such as the repeatedly struggling characters in BoJack Horseman. This concept of the arc originates from Aristotle's theory of peripeteia (reversal of fortune), which was standardized into a quantifiable narrative tool by the Hollywood screenwriting industry in the 20th century.
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Do Western literary works place more emphasis on the complexity of characters? Why?
Regarding the question of whether Western literary works place more emphasis on character complexity, this is a broad topic that can easily lead to misunderstandings. Simply answering 'yes' or 'no' would be inaccurate.
A more precise statement is: Western literary works differ significantly from traditional Eastern (primarily Chinese) literary works in the ways, entry points, and underlying philosophical logic of 'presenting character complexity.'
The Western tradition has indeed developed a very mature, explicit system focused on excavating human contradictions, which often gives modern readers the impression that 'Western characters are more complex.' We can analyze this from several dimensions:
1. Different Philosophical Foundations: Divinity vs. Virtue
The West: Humans as a Collection of Contradictions
The sources of Western culture (Greek mythology and the Hebrew Bible) established 'the imperfection of characters' from the very beginning.
- Ancient Greek Tragedy: Heroes are often torn apart by 'fate' and their own 'character flaws' (Hamartia). The greatest heroes, like Oedipus and Achilles, have fatal character weaknesses. They are powerful, but also fragile and arrogant.
- Christian Tradition: Emphasizes 'original sin.' Even saints have hearts that are a battlefield of good and evil. This cultural gene determines that creators are keen to show the conflict between human desires and moral imperatives (e.g., Raskolnikov in Dostoevsky's works).
The East (Traditional): Humans as Nodes in Social Relationships
Traditional Chinese culture (primarily Confucianism) places more emphasis on 'virtue' and 'paradigms.'
- For a long time, literary works bore the function of 'conveying the Dao through literature.' Characters often exist to demonstrate certain moral qualities (loyalty, filial piety, chastity, righteousness).
- Although masterpieces like Dream of the Red Chamber or The Plum in the Golden Vase display extremely high character complexity, in a large number of folk tales and popular novels, characters are more easily stereotyped into loyal ministers, treacherous officials, talented scholars, and beautiful women.
Conclusion: Western culture earlier acknowledged that 'evil' and 'flaws' are inherent parts of human nature, and thus is more accustomed to explicitly writing about 'inner tearing.'
2. Emphasis on 'Individualism' vs. Emphasis on 'Relationalism'
The West: Inward Excavation (Psychological Realism)
With the Renaissance and the subsequent Enlightenment, the West established values centered on the 'individual.'
- The Hamlet Moment: Shakespeare's Hamlet is a watershed moment, marking literature's focus on 'what is going on in this person's mind.' That endless self-doubt and soliloquy opened up an endless exploration of the depth of the individual psyche.
- Modernist literature (e.g., stream of consciousness, existentialism) pushed this inward excavation to its extreme, not only showing complexity but also absurdity and fragmentation.
The East: Outward Extension (Social Network)
Traditional Chinese novels are better at writing 'relationships between people.'
- For example, in Water Margin or Romance of the Three Kingdoms, characters' personalities are often revealed through 'interactions' and 'events,' rather than through lengthy inner monologues. Lu Zhishen's 'complexity' is shown in the contrast between his actions of saving and killing, not in his analysis of his own psychology.
- Aesthetics of Blank-Leaving: Eastern aesthetics values 'the utmost charm lies in what is left unsaid.' The inner world of characters is often implied in descriptions of scenery or expressions and actions, rather than being 'dissected' for the reader through explicit psychological descriptions like in the West.
Conclusion: The West emphasizes explicit psychological complexity (Why am I doing this?), while the East is better at implicit behavioral complexity (He made this choice under these circumstances).
3. The Influence of the 'Round Character' Theory
British novelist E.M. Forster proposed the concepts of 'round characters' and 'flat characters.' This itself is a Western literary theoretical system.
- Mainstream Western literary criticism highly esteems 'round characters' (whose personalities change with the plot, are multifaceted, and unpredictable).
- Under this evaluation system, if a character remains consistent throughout (e.g., Guan Yu's loyalty and righteousness), they are easily seen as 'flat.' However, in the Eastern context, this 'consistency' is seen as a very high realm of personality, but in modern Western novel techniques, it might be judged as lacking a 'Character Arc.'
Why is there a feeling that 'the West emphasizes complexity more'?
- The Need for Dramatic Conflict: Western dramatic theory (e.g., Hegel's theory of tragedy) emphasizes conflict. The more intense the inner conflict, the more three-dimensional the character appears.
- The Influence of Psychoanalysis: After Freud, Western creators almost obsessively excavated the subconscious, childhood trauma, and sexual repression, which greatly enriched the gray areas of characters.
- Deconstruction of the 'Sublime': Especially after World War II, Western postmodern literature began to deconstruct all power and heroes, deliberately writing heroes as villains and finding shining points in villains. This contrast created a strong tension in human nature.
Summary
It is not that Eastern works lack complexity (the complexity of Jia Baoyu and Wang Xifeng in Dream of the Red Chamber is world-class), but rather:
- The West tends to construct complexity through anatomical psychological descriptions, individual self-confrontation, and a direct gaze at the dark side of human nature.
- The East tends to embody complexity through the entanglements of social networks, the implicit blank-leaving between words and actions, and the struggle within fate.
Western works indeed 'explicitly emphasize' complexity, treating it as a creative consciousness and aesthetic standard; while the character complexity in traditional Eastern works is often 'implicit' within the grand social landscape and moral ethics.
What is a Character Arc?
“Character Arc” is a core concept in screenwriting and creative writing.
Simply put, it refers to the trajectory of change in a character's inner state from the beginning to the end of a story.
It's like an “arc” in geometry: the character starts at point A, goes through a series of events, challenges, and conflicts, and finally arrives at point B. By the time they reach point B, they are no longer the same person as when they started.
Here is an in-depth breakdown of the “Character Arc”:
1. Why is it called an “Arc”?
Because this change usually does not happen abruptly in a straight line; it has a trajectory.
- Setup: At the start of the story, the character usually has a misconception, flaw, or a state of dissatisfaction.
- Process: The character faces challenges, their old beliefs no longer work, they are forced to change, experiencing struggle, pain, and awakening.
- Result: At the end of the story, the character has completed their transformation (for better, for worse, or back to a state of peace).
2. Three Main Types of Character Arcs
Although it's called “growth,” this arc does not only refer to “becoming better”; it can also mean “becoming worse” or “staying the same.”
A. Positive Arc — The Hero's Journey
This is the most common type. The protagonist starts with a flaw (e.g., selfish, cowardly, insecure) and, by overcoming difficulties, eventually conquers their inner weakness and becomes a better person.
- Formula: Flaw/Lie $\rightarrow$ Challenge/Truth $\rightarrow$ Overcoming Self/Change.
- Examples:
- Tony Stark in Iron Man: From a selfish, arms-dealing “playboy” to a hero willing to sacrifice himself to protect the world after being kidnapped and witnessing death.
- Chihiro in Spirited Away: From a timid, spoiled little girl to a brave and responsible person who works at a bathhouse and endures hardships to save her parents.
B. Negative Arc — The Tragic Fall
The protagonist, driven by obsession, desire, or environmental pressure, gradually descends into corruption, destruction, or madness. Their character flaws not only remain but consume them.
- Formula: Desire/Obsession $\rightarrow$ Wrong Choices $\rightarrow$ Complete Destruction/Corruption.
- Examples:
- Michael Corleone in The Godfather: Despite wanting to stay out of the family's mafia business (good young man), he is forced to kill to protect his family, and eventually becomes a cold, ruthless, and lonely mafia don for power.
- Walter White in Breaking Bad: From a timid high school chemistry teacher to a drug kingpin who revels in the thrill of crime.
C. Flat Arc — The World-Changer
The character's inner personality does not fundamentally change from beginning to end.
This type of character is usually already mature, strong, or holds firm beliefs from the start. The story's focus is not on “how they change,” but on “how they persist in being themselves and change the world around them or the supporting characters.”
- Formula: Firm Belief $\rightarrow$ World Tries to Change Him $\rightarrow$ He Persists and Changes the World.
- Examples:
- Captain America: No matter how complex the world becomes, he always sticks to his almost old-fashioned goodness and justice. He doesn't need to “become bad” or “more worldly”; his arc lies in proving that his beliefs are right.
- Sherlock Holmes / James Bond: They have the same personality in every episode; they don't need to grow, only to solve problems.
3. What Makes a Good Arc? (Core Elements)
If a character changes for no reason, the audience will find it “unbelievable.” A convincing arc usually includes:
- The Ghost / Past Trauma: What caused the character's current flaw? (e.g., Batman's parents' death).
- The Lie: A false belief the character holds deeply. (e.g., “I can't trust anyone to survive”).
- Need vs. Want:
- Want: The superficial goal (e.g., I want to get rich, I want that position).
- Need: What the character truly lacks inside, often the key to growth (e.g., I actually need my family's love, I need to learn to forgive).
- A great arc often occurs when the character has to give up the “want” to obtain the “need.”
Summary
A “Character Arc” is the character's inner journey.
In excellent works of art, the plot (what happens) is usually just the surface, while the “arc” (what changes inside the character) is the true soul. If after watching a movie you feel the protagonist “has become a different person,” that means their arc has been completed.
Is there a 'swinging arc'? How did the concept of 'arc' come about?
This is a very sharp question!
I. Is There a “Swinging Arc”?
Absolutely. Although basic textbooks usually only cover “becoming better (positive), becoming worse (negative), and staying the same (flat),” in advanced writing, especially long-form TV series, the “swinging arc” (or spiral arc, back-and-forth arc) is a very common and sophisticated technique.
It is closer to real human nature, because in reality, change is rarely achieved overnight; it is often “two steps forward, one step back.”
We can divide this type of arc into two categories:
1. The Struggling/Relapse Arc
The character tries to change, but old habits or inner demons are too strong, causing them to relapse repeatedly. You don't see a straight upward line; you see a wave.
- Example: BoJack Horseman
This is the most typical example. BoJack wants to be better and responsible countless times, and even succeeds for a while. But whenever he faces great pressure or temptation, he instantly falls back to rock bottom, even worse than before. This cycle of “wanting to be good $\leftrightarrow$ messing up” constitutes the tension of the entire show. - Logic: This arc emphasizes the difficulty of change.
2. The Moral Gray / Flip-Flop Arc
The character swings back and forth between good and evil, making it hard to define them as simply good or bad.
- Example: Jaime Lannister in Game of Thrones
He starts as a villain who commits incest and pushes a child out of a window (negative); in the middle, after losing his hand and journeying with Brienne, he becomes a knight of honor (positive); but in the final season (though controversial), he “reverses” back for Cersei. - Example: Jimmy McGill / Saul Goodman in Better Call Saul
He swings wildly between “wanting to be a respectable lawyer” and “his irrepressible slick and fraudulent nature.” Every time he tries to walk the straight path, it rejects him, so he slides toward evil, then his conscience pulls him back a little, and finally he spirals slowly into the abyss.
Summary: Swinging arcs are often used in long-form TV series. Because a movie is only 2 hours long, it must give the audience a definite ending (A becomes B); but a TV series has dozens of episodes. If the protagonist completely changes in one season, there is no story left, so they must “swing.”
II. How Did the Concept of Character Arc Come About?
The term “character arc” was not invented by one person on a certain day. It is the result of literary theory, especially Western dramatic theory, evolving over thousands of years, and was finally codified as a term in Hollywood screenwriting industry.
We can trace its three stages of development:
Stage 1: Prototype — Aristotle and “Reversal of Fortune”
As early as ancient Greece, Aristotle laid the foundation in his work Poetics.
- Although he did not use the word “Arc,” he proposed Peripeteia (reversal of fortune) and Anagnorisis (discovery/awakening).
- He believed that tragic characters must experience a change from good fortune to bad, and must achieve a “cognitive awakening” at the end.
- Key contribution: Established that a story must contain “change.”
Stage 2: Shape — Freytag's Pyramid
In the 19th century, German playwright Gustav Freytag analyzed Shakespeare and ancient Greek drama, drawing the famous plot structure diagram.
- It is a triangle (or pyramid): Exposition $\rightarrow$ Rising Action $\rightarrow$ Climax $\rightarrow$ Falling Action $\rightarrow$ Denouement.
- Visually, this shape is an “arch” or “arc.”
- Key contribution: Provided the visual concept of an “arc,” meaning the emotional tension of the plot changes in an arc over time.
Stage 3: Codification — Hollywood Screenwriting and Psychology (Post-1970s)
In modern times, during the so-called “Screenwriting Paradigm” in Hollywood, the term “Character Arc” truly became popular and standardized. This was driven by two forces:
- Introduction of Psychology: The popularization of Freudian and Jungian psychology in the early 20th century made literary creators focus not only on “external action” (who hit whom, who killed whom) but also on “internal journey” (childhood trauma, subconscious desires).
- Summaries by Screenwriting Gurus:
- Syd Field (Screenplay, 1979): Although he mainly discussed the three-act structure, he emphasized that the protagonist must undergo a transformation at the end of the first act and the end of the second act.
- Robert McKee (Story, 1997): He greatly deepened the concept of the arc. He famously said: “Structure is character; character is structure.” He emphasized that the character arc is the moral core of the art form of storytelling.
Why is it called an “Arc”?
This is actually a geometric/electrical metaphor:
- Geometrically: It is a curve on a graph. The horizontal axis is time, and the vertical axis is the character's state (e.g., a value from weak to strong). Connected, it forms an arc.
- Electrically: Just as an electric arc jumps between two electrodes to produce light, a character leaps across a huge gap (obstacle), generating dazzling dramatic light in the process.
Thus, “Character Arc” is a set of reproducible, quantifiable engineering terms summarized by Hollywood to industrialize script production, turning the complex process of literary character change into a system.